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	<title>Comments on: BREAKING: SF PASSES DO NOT MAIL RESOLUTION!</title>
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		<title>By: Seattle Takes on the Junk Mail Industry &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</title>
		<link>http://donotmail.org/blog/2009/03/breaking-sf-passes-do-not-mail-resolution/comment-page-1/#comment-1355</link>
		<dc:creator>Seattle Takes on the Junk Mail Industry &#171; It&#8217;s Getting Hot In Here</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 01:49:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] isn&#8217;t the first city to adopt a resolution like this (San Francisco passed a similar resolution last year), and they will not be the last. There is a growing grassroots movement demanding accountability [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tawny</title>
		<link>http://donotmail.org/blog/2009/03/breaking-sf-passes-do-not-mail-resolution/comment-page-1/#comment-486</link>
		<dc:creator>Tawny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 07:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina,

I understand why you are upset.  Job loss is on everyone&#039;s minds right now.  However, I would just like to point out to you, respectfully, that junk mail does in fact harm everyone in an indirect way.  The amount of trees cut down for junk mail every year (100 million!) and the amount of carbon emissions made by processing those trees into mail and delivery of the mail greatly impacts the health of natural systems on which humans rely on in very intricate ways.  If we continue to exploit the very thing which enables us to have our comfortable lifestyles in the United States, we will eventually have to deal with the consequences of our actions, which are expected to be dire.  My point is this: without an environment that is healthy enough to support the 6.8 billion people on earth, everything else becomes small potatoes.  We will not have the luxury of jobs and a stable food source and a stable income if our society breaks under the strain of an earth that cannot support our economic activities.

I agree with you that workers losing their jobs puts a lot of American families through unfair hardship.  But I&#039;m just trying to point out that the people at Forest Ethics are not trying to make people lose jobs, they are trying to help curb climate change by reducing superfluous manufacturing.  Climate change will affect everyone...you, me, poor, rich, people with jobs, and people without jobs the world over.  Looking out for the environment IS looking out for fellow Americans and world citizens.

Perhaps a really good way to focus your frustration would be to encourage the government to recruit the unemployed and train them to work in green jobs.  In that way, workers are employed and contributing to the advancement and progress of our nation, and it would help America to rise to a leadership position in the search for sustainable business methods.  I think there is a huge need for people who are as passionate as you are on that front. Thanks for your time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina,</p>
<p>I understand why you are upset.  Job loss is on everyone&#8217;s minds right now.  However, I would just like to point out to you, respectfully, that junk mail does in fact harm everyone in an indirect way.  The amount of trees cut down for junk mail every year (100 million!) and the amount of carbon emissions made by processing those trees into mail and delivery of the mail greatly impacts the health of natural systems on which humans rely on in very intricate ways.  If we continue to exploit the very thing which enables us to have our comfortable lifestyles in the United States, we will eventually have to deal with the consequences of our actions, which are expected to be dire.  My point is this: without an environment that is healthy enough to support the 6.8 billion people on earth, everything else becomes small potatoes.  We will not have the luxury of jobs and a stable food source and a stable income if our society breaks under the strain of an earth that cannot support our economic activities.</p>
<p>I agree with you that workers losing their jobs puts a lot of American families through unfair hardship.  But I&#8217;m just trying to point out that the people at Forest Ethics are not trying to make people lose jobs, they are trying to help curb climate change by reducing superfluous manufacturing.  Climate change will affect everyone&#8230;you, me, poor, rich, people with jobs, and people without jobs the world over.  Looking out for the environment IS looking out for fellow Americans and world citizens.</p>
<p>Perhaps a really good way to focus your frustration would be to encourage the government to recruit the unemployed and train them to work in green jobs.  In that way, workers are employed and contributing to the advancement and progress of our nation, and it would help America to rise to a leadership position in the search for sustainable business methods.  I think there is a huge need for people who are as passionate as you are on that front. Thanks for your time!</p>
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		<title>By: Big News: Seattleite Puts Do Not Mail Petition over 100,000—and kicks off our Seattle Resolution push! &#171; Return to Offender: The Do Not Mail Blog</title>
		<link>http://donotmail.org/blog/2009/03/breaking-sf-passes-do-not-mail-resolution/comment-page-1/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Big News: Seattleite Puts Do Not Mail Petition over 100,000—and kicks off our Seattle Resolution push! &#171; Return to Offender: The Do Not Mail Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Aug 2009 02:24:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the greenest large city in the country and home to our next push for a Do Not Mail Resolution!  San Francisco was first in March, and now it’s Seattle’s turn, with the city hopefully giving way to a Do Not Mail registry for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the greenest large city in the country and home to our next push for a Do Not Mail Resolution!  San Francisco was first in March, and now it’s Seattle’s turn, with the city hopefully giving way to a Do Not Mail registry for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://donotmail.org/blog/2009/03/breaking-sf-passes-do-not-mail-resolution/comment-page-1/#comment-334</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 22:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No more junk mail!!!I&#039;m tired of having to pay to take it away. The people that deliver this don&#039;t give a hoot --- junk mail is the easiest---they don&#039;t have to read names or addresses.  They just shove it in your mailbox. Why should we make their jobs easier?  They don&#039;t care if you get the correct mail or not!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No more junk mail!!!I&#8217;m tired of having to pay to take it away. The people that deliver this don&#8217;t give a hoot &#8212; junk mail is the easiest&#8212;they don&#8217;t have to read names or addresses.  They just shove it in your mailbox. Why should we make their jobs easier?  They don&#8217;t care if you get the correct mail or not!</p>
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		<title>By: Undustrial</title>
		<link>http://donotmail.org/blog/2009/03/breaking-sf-passes-do-not-mail-resolution/comment-page-1/#comment-329</link>
		<dc:creator>Undustrial</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Jul 2009 15:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This kind of argument really exposes the deep-reaching flaws in our economic system. It&#039;s one thing when something useful is being produced, but to keep these systems running just to give people jobs is ridiculous. Junk mail, the auto industry, ranching, even warfare gets these kind of tear-jerking argument. 

Each one of these jobs is taking up a very large chunk of the waking hours of a human being - 9-5, Monday to Friday, 50 weeks a year for a few decades. Is junk mail really worth this? People packing envelopes, rotting in front of computers, or risking their lives logging. The waste of human potential here is equaled only, perhaps, by the  massive destruction of nature it entails. If all that&#039;s happening at the end of the day is that you&#039;re tossing this to the curb, then what is this all for? 

The real question here is why it&#039;s so hard to get by, even for a family with two working parents in some of the richest countries in the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This kind of argument really exposes the deep-reaching flaws in our economic system. It&#8217;s one thing when something useful is being produced, but to keep these systems running just to give people jobs is ridiculous. Junk mail, the auto industry, ranching, even warfare gets these kind of tear-jerking argument. </p>
<p>Each one of these jobs is taking up a very large chunk of the waking hours of a human being &#8211; 9-5, Monday to Friday, 50 weeks a year for a few decades. Is junk mail really worth this? People packing envelopes, rotting in front of computers, or risking their lives logging. The waste of human potential here is equaled only, perhaps, by the  massive destruction of nature it entails. If all that&#8217;s happening at the end of the day is that you&#8217;re tossing this to the curb, then what is this all for? </p>
<p>The real question here is why it&#8217;s so hard to get by, even for a family with two working parents in some of the richest countries in the world.</p>
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		<title>By: jm</title>
		<link>http://donotmail.org/blog/2009/03/breaking-sf-passes-do-not-mail-resolution/comment-page-1/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>jm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What irritates me is that people go off on a power struggle about jobs and money.  Why is that in america money is the only thing?  I as a consumer could care less if the usps dies or got very small and stamps were $1 or more.  So what - I don&#039;t send hardly any mail anymore now that things are more and more electronic.  So I have to use an occasional $1 stamp for that occasional non-electrontic thing.  So what, it&#039;s only $1.  Well at least I don&#039;t have to send it UPS for $4.  The USPS subsidizes the cost of stamps with junk mail.  They created their own mess.  So it is not working out for them.  The time spent on the phone opting out, and just dealing with it, or do I just pay $1 or more for stamps?  I&#039;d just pay for more for stamps and be done with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What irritates me is that people go off on a power struggle about jobs and money.  Why is that in america money is the only thing?  I as a consumer could care less if the usps dies or got very small and stamps were $1 or more.  So what &#8211; I don&#8217;t send hardly any mail anymore now that things are more and more electronic.  So I have to use an occasional $1 stamp for that occasional non-electrontic thing.  So what, it&#8217;s only $1.  Well at least I don&#8217;t have to send it UPS for $4.  The USPS subsidizes the cost of stamps with junk mail.  They created their own mess.  So it is not working out for them.  The time spent on the phone opting out, and just dealing with it, or do I just pay $1 or more for stamps?  I&#8217;d just pay for more for stamps and be done with it.</p>
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		<title>By: jm</title>
		<link>http://donotmail.org/blog/2009/03/breaking-sf-passes-do-not-mail-resolution/comment-page-1/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>jm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were to choose from the current system vs. the usps very downsizing and the price of stamps going to to $1 or more?   I&#039;d take $1 or more stamps any day.  Who would miss junk mail, unless your are insane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were to choose from the current system vs. the usps very downsizing and the price of stamps going to to $1 or more?   I&#8217;d take $1 or more stamps any day.  Who would miss junk mail, unless your are insane.</p>
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		<title>By: jm</title>
		<link>http://donotmail.org/blog/2009/03/breaking-sf-passes-do-not-mail-resolution/comment-page-1/#comment-233</link>
		<dc:creator>jm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 19:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People got to stop complaining about the price of stamps.  $1 to send a physical object coast to coast?  That is Cheap!  Look at UPS and Fedex - they want at least $4 to send something ground.

Once thing that irritates me the most is carrier walk route bulk mail.  It says ECRWSS on it.  Resident.  Current occupent.  Esspecially those fast food menus.  It is unstoppable.  Even if it hints at the company that printed it, often they will not stop it from coming to my house.  If any such do not mail laws come in, I can only hope and prey that it includes the carrier walk route parasites.  Looking up to canada, companies can do unaddressed mail, but people can place a sign on their mailbox to optout, and the carrier will not drop the junk in.  They solved the problem a long time ago.  This is one of those &quot;only in america&quot; things - the usps doesn&#039;t deliver unaddressed mail, so the carrier walk route mail is addressed.  But the addresses come from the usps&#039;s database of &quot;yes this house exists&quot; database, with absolutly no way to optout or flag an address for do not mail.  So these parasite carrier walk route mailers abuse the hell out of the database - and get free rein on our mailboxes and our privacy.  Please stop the insanity...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People got to stop complaining about the price of stamps.  $1 to send a physical object coast to coast?  That is Cheap!  Look at UPS and Fedex &#8211; they want at least $4 to send something ground.</p>
<p>Once thing that irritates me the most is carrier walk route bulk mail.  It says ECRWSS on it.  Resident.  Current occupent.  Esspecially those fast food menus.  It is unstoppable.  Even if it hints at the company that printed it, often they will not stop it from coming to my house.  If any such do not mail laws come in, I can only hope and prey that it includes the carrier walk route parasites.  Looking up to canada, companies can do unaddressed mail, but people can place a sign on their mailbox to optout, and the carrier will not drop the junk in.  They solved the problem a long time ago.  This is one of those &#8220;only in america&#8221; things &#8211; the usps doesn&#8217;t deliver unaddressed mail, so the carrier walk route mail is addressed.  But the addresses come from the usps&#8217;s database of &#8220;yes this house exists&#8221; database, with absolutly no way to optout or flag an address for do not mail.  So these parasite carrier walk route mailers abuse the hell out of the database &#8211; and get free rein on our mailboxes and our privacy.  Please stop the insanity&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://donotmail.org/blog/2009/03/breaking-sf-passes-do-not-mail-resolution/comment-page-1/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 23:54:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>how do compare delivering mail to smoking? I didn&#039;t know that mail could kill. I guess we can&#039;t expect any kind of sense coming from a person that doesn&#039;t really know the insides and outs of the postal system. I hope your job is in much jeopardy as ours is. Its great to see that there&#039;s still people out there that actually want fellow Americans to lose their jobs just so the economy can sink into an even deeper hole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>how do compare delivering mail to smoking? I didn&#8217;t know that mail could kill. I guess we can&#8217;t expect any kind of sense coming from a person that doesn&#8217;t really know the insides and outs of the postal system. I hope your job is in much jeopardy as ours is. Its great to see that there&#8217;s still people out there that actually want fellow Americans to lose their jobs just so the economy can sink into an even deeper hole.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://donotmail.org/blog/2009/03/breaking-sf-passes-do-not-mail-resolution/comment-page-1/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ruth &amp; Tina, if your jobs hinge on the continued processing and delivery of unwanted and unrequested junk mail to millions of people, I sympathize with you, but I do not support you. I do not doubt that some percentage of postal workers&#039; jobs would be affected by a reduction in junk mail. However, the kind of attitude you proffer is nonsensical. It implies that we should still be supporting the proverbial &quot;buggy whip&quot; industry even though no one needs or wants buggy whips any more. More generally, that anyone who works for a company or an industry that downsized due to changing technology, or economic or social conditions, should not have lost their job. Should we force real estate agencies to rehire or retain all the real estate agents they had in 2006 even though the real estate market has dropped to levels not seen in decades? Should we make it illegal to pay bills online so that the Post Office can continue delivering handwritten checks?

How will either of you, personally, succeed? By being the best postal worker you can be. And if for some reason that&#039;s not good enough, then you&#039;ll need to find a different job. It&#039;s not a pleasant thought, I agree, but it is reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ruth &amp; Tina, if your jobs hinge on the continued processing and delivery of unwanted and unrequested junk mail to millions of people, I sympathize with you, but I do not support you. I do not doubt that some percentage of postal workers&#8217; jobs would be affected by a reduction in junk mail. However, the kind of attitude you proffer is nonsensical. It implies that we should still be supporting the proverbial &#8220;buggy whip&#8221; industry even though no one needs or wants buggy whips any more. More generally, that anyone who works for a company or an industry that downsized due to changing technology, or economic or social conditions, should not have lost their job. Should we force real estate agencies to rehire or retain all the real estate agents they had in 2006 even though the real estate market has dropped to levels not seen in decades? Should we make it illegal to pay bills online so that the Post Office can continue delivering handwritten checks?</p>
<p>How will either of you, personally, succeed? By being the best postal worker you can be. And if for some reason that&#8217;s not good enough, then you&#8217;ll need to find a different job. It&#8217;s not a pleasant thought, I agree, but it is reality.</p>
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